Spikety Spike Sp- er, Angel: The Series!

**isadora** · 09-30-2003 08:31 PM

Oh, Roly! How thou read my mind.

Ah, the adventures of two soulful vampire brothers! Gah.

I HATE SPIKE, HARMONY & ANGEL.

<--seriously considering switching to The OC.

**roly** · 10-03-2003 11:56 PM

Why does Angel always have to say "Spike" that way? What is that? Gah. And who in the hair department felt that DB's 'do wasn't quite greasy enough? I'd actually prefer the old look to that mess from the other night.

I also hate Harmony. I didn't used to; she served a purpose and she was a nice reminder of the Addams Family sequel (which was far superior to the first movie because Joan Cusack kicks all kinds of ass). But she's as problematic here as Spike was on Buffy post-S4. She's completely at odds with what we've been previously told about vampires (that, sans soul, they're utterly, irredeemably, evil). Also, her shtick is beyond played and just like with Spike, the audience* will be completely bored and/or irritated by her long before the writers are (assuming it ever happens. They apparently all still find Spike simply fascinating, though, so that's probably a pipe dream).

Eve

Fred

Wesley with nothing to do. Were we supposed to read something into the fact that she wouldn't let him carry her box (hee!) but she let that Knox guy do it? Is that a clear sign of no Fresley? Because that'd be just fine by me.

*I'm referring, of course, to the viewers who don't "just watch for Spike." You know, the ones who aren't harboring that bizarre, bad-boy fixation that led them to submit twenty-paragraph posts defending his sexual assault on Buffy all that time ago. Hee. Bitter? Me?

**Fox1013** · 10-28-2003 06:28 PM

Some of the Crazy Spike Fen refuse to watch the scenes without JM. They get spoiled, and then they do things when he's not on the screen.

It's so odd, when they could just do what everyone else does and rely on delusion.

Personally? I have yet to be convinced that Lilah did not appear naked in last week's episode.

**vanessa** · 10-28-2003 07:06 PM

Have you all checked out the forums at sparklies.org? Love the crazy Spike fen. Love them.

It's so odd, when they could just do what everyone else does and rely on delusion.

I refuse to give up on my delusion that Lilah will be showing up soon to save us from Wesley/Fred.

**roly** · 10-28-2003 11:50 PM

I found this post shortly after ep 2 aired and I refer to it whenever I start feeling apathetic about Angel:

...JM adds extremely needed energy to this cast. Spike is not a screen hog--he is just so exceptional a character that all others pale in comparison. [emphasis mine]

Every time I read it I get all rage-y again. Fucking Spike fans.

That said, I didn't hate last week's ep that much. It wasn't remotely scary and I rolled my eyes at the gratuitous baring of yet more of Marsters' pasty bod, but it was better than that godawful werewolf ep from the week before.

**Fox1013** · 10-28-2003 11:51 PM

Have you all checked out the forums at sparklies.org? Love the crazy Spike fen. Love them.

Darling, I don't need to go to another website. I just check my LJ friendsfriends.

Fucking CRACK, man.

**vanessa** · 10-29-2003 07:03 AM

Last season there was so much good and every Wednesday my BFF and I would wish each other Happy Angel Day! and now I have to try to remember to watch. When they announced Spike on the show *this* is exactly what I thought would happen. Some of the episodes are enjoyable enough - last week's was - but there's no real depth there at all. Every character but Spike is totally shallow and mostly just standing around reacting to Spike. I know there is a Wes-centric episode coming up soon, hopefully that'll change things a little.

**isadora** · 10-29-2003 09:12 AM

I'm hanging on for the Wes episode.

Last week was the best episode so far this season -- and that's not saying much -- but at least it was well-paced.

Mr. Is now calls to wish me Happy Spike! Day.

**vanessa** · 10-29-2003 10:05 PM

I was very negative about Angel before this episode, and I found the episode itself to be extraordinarily bad - painful to watch even - but I'm getting hope from the fact that Wesley is acting so oddly and not like the Wes of the end of S4. Tonight they've convinced me that they're going somewhere with Wes being different than before, just because it was so obvious.

<--- Clearly a delusional for thinking that her show couldn't continue to be bad despite all evidence so far this season and the history of Buffy S7 as a guide.

That said, I was happy with the lowered amount of Spike - Yay! And I'm curious about whether they tested Sarah T. with DB before casting her as Eve, cause they have like negative chemistry - less than Fred and Wes even. And could Fred be less interested in Wes? She is giving him nothing but the just-friends-brushoff. Poor Wesley deserves better.

to the continued over-exposition. If they explain one more time about their ambivalence at running an evil law firm, I will scream.

**Fox1013** · 10-30-2003 09:18 AM

I'm too lazy to rewrite my thoughts.

So, I won't bitch about the Angel ep.

Really.

When did I get so bitter? This is exciting and new.

**isadora** · 11-02-2003 07:29 PM

Roly,
OMGITA!

I :heart your Angel rantyness.

**vanessa** · 11-05-2003 12:54 PM

Salon has posted an article about Angel that fills me with bitterness and

. Their premise is that now that Buffy is gone, Angel is the weaning mechanism, but that all the characters on Angel are just weak shadows of the originals. Like Wes is just dime-store Giles. First off, has this fucking idiot ever watched Angel before this season? Cause Wes is a pretty complex character who is nothing like Giles. And secondly, if all you want from Angel is a Buffy clone, then just fuck off right now and allow ME to go back to creating Angel. There's a reason I liked it better than Buffy last year.

And I'm not even going to start on their Spike commentary.

**isadora** · 11-05-2003 07:03 PM

That bitch always writes these kerr-azy odes to Spike! Whatevah! Grrrr.

**vanessa** · 11-05-2003 10:01 PM

I lovedlovedloved this one - the brothers were so cool: "Hermanos! The Devil has built a robot!" Hee. Spike is annoying, but Fred looked very pretty and Wes and Gunn are so good together. And they fixed Angel's hair - hurray! And Wes was so purty. *sigh*

And OMB, Wes doesn't remember "The father will kill the son" but you know he's going to soon. Angel is going to catch it but good when this blows up on him.

Thank goodness for Jeffrey Bell - finally Angel feels like Angel.

**isadora** · 11-05-2003 10:19 PM

I don't know who Jeffrey Bell is but OMB! Such an improvement!

Weslah! *sob* "What are you talking about?"

There were a few lingering "wtf is up" lingering shots on Wesley. *squeee*

This was actually a great example of how to blend a MOTW with comedy and drama and, you know, actually character development/plot advacement among the core characters. *whew*

I have a few bitches but the "What you talkin' 'bout, Angel" scene sort of trumped everything else for me.

ETA: I

when Wes was: Ooh, Demonica Robotica or whatever the fuck he said. It was verray amusing.

**vanessa** · 11-06-2003 06:53 AM

Jeffrey Bell is the show runner and he wrote and directed last night is why I was praising him. He's apparently the only writer this year who knows how.

**vanessa** · 11-12-2003 10:06 PM

Will Jenn23 ever see me posting after myself? Well, I'll remember her regardless.

Anyway, my poor Wes. My poor, misguided, liking Fred but remembering Lilah Wes. (How does that work exactly? And is it as

as it seems? What possible reason could there be for him to revert to liking the Twig after the events of Home

?) My heart broke for him the whole time, except when he was being patronizing to Fred - she was right about that. I just want to give him a hug at the end.

Wes.

AD for kicking ass tonight.

And

to Angel spanking Wes in the beginning. Shut the fuck up, Angel.

I feel like there's something going on here I don't get yet - like what's with Eve (Die! Die! Die!) being fascinated with Spike? And asking Angel about the next time Wesley will betray him to do the right thing? That's gotta be a clue of some plot point to come. And who hired these ninja cyborg guys?

**isadora** · 11-12-2003 10:47 PM

So much yummy Wes! I had like a Wesgasm during this episode.

And it came as a shock to me that he remembered chopping Lilah! *sob* HOW could he be borderline stalking that annoying twit after Lilah? Clearly he's broken under his own grief! CLEARLY.

"Sex with robots is more common than people think." BWAH.

This episode was SO good overall. There were moments of annoying but, overall, much plot advancement.

Are we supposed to care about Fred's love life? I pretty much feel she SHOULD put out at this point. I mean he sort of killed his FATHER to protect her skinny ass.

**Fox1013** · 11-13-2003 01:05 AM

Mmm. Wesley.

Um. Commentary on tonight's TVhere.

And my thoughts on the Wes/Lilah here.

Why, yes, I AM too lazy to copy and paste...

**Cranberry** · 11-14-2003 02:00 AM

Originally posted by vanessa
Jeffrey Bell is the show runner and he wrote and directed last night is why I was praising him. He's apparently the only writer this year who knows how.

Add Drew Goddard to that list. I love the man -- this week's episode was SO GOOD. I loved the nods to past BTVS episodes and the Wes/Lilah thing. I really think they're setting something up here -- otherwise, why would Wes mention Lilah, and why would Eve bring up Connor?

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